Dangerous game cartridges fire bullets with SD’s above .300. AMERICAN SAFARI MAGNUM The same rifle as the SAFARI MAGNUM version, but offered by CZ USA in an American pattern stock available in 3 different laminate color combinations, as well as field and fancy grade American black walnut. The .458 Lott is therefore too long to fit in a standard length rifle action, but it also has considerably more case capacity.
Needless to say, he didn't win the wrestling match and was hammered pretty good. It's a CZ550 controlled round feed. CZ 550 American Safari Magnum, .375 H&H; CZ 550 American Safari Magnum, .416 Rigby; CZ 550 American Safari Magnum Aramid Composite, .458 Win.
270 grain: 2700 fps/4370 ft-lbs, SD .274 (Hornady InterLock), 300 grain: 2530 fps/4263 ft-lbs, SD .305 (Hornady DGX), 350 grain: 2300 fps/4112 ft-lbs, SD .356 (Norma PH), 400 grain: 2300 fps/4905 ft-lbs, SD .330 (Federal TBBC), 400 grain: 2400 fps/5115 ft-lbs, SD .330 (Federal Woodleigh Hydro Solid), 450 grain: 2150 fps/4620 ft-lbs, SD .371 (Norma PH), 400 grain: 2300 fps/4698 ft-lbs, SD .321 (Hornady DGX), 450 grain: 2150 fps/4620 ft-lbs, SD .361 (Norma PH), 400 grain: 2250 fps/4496 ft-lbs, SD .272 (Federal TBBC), 500 grain: 2090 fps/4849 ft-lbs, SD .341 (Federal TBBC), 500 grain: 2150 fps/5132 ft-lbs., SD .318 (Federal Swift A-frame). 338 WM VS 375 h&h I had 4 pass-through shots this past spring on a 9' Kodiak boar with my .375 h&h, shooting Barnes tsx bullets. Long, heavy bullets have high sectional density (SD) which is the ratio between their diameter and weight. My recoil tolerance ends about where the .458 begins. Perhaps the most famous African cartridge is the .375 H&H Magnum, but a couple of its offspring, the .416 Remington Magnum and .458 Winchester Magnum, offer more power and heavier bullets. After World War Two, Americans flocked to Africa to hunt, but the only suitable dangerous game rifles were either special, magnum length bolt-actions chambered for cartridges such as the .416 Rigby or expensive double rifles which fired hard to come by Nitro Express rounds. They appreciated the Jeff’s lower recoil after firing dozens of rounds at a time. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Unfortunately, Winchester chose a temperature sensitive powder for the propellant and reports surfaced about the cartridge’s unpredictable performance, particularly in hot climates such as Africa. It is also used by some Alaskan guides when hunting the enormous Kodiak brown bears. It will drop any animal on the planet, with proper bullet placement. ; 300 Win. Mag. The .416 Rigby has always used a 400 or 410 grain bullet, although Woodleigh has introduced a 450 grain in both soft nose and solid. CD ROM topographic map coverage for ALL of Alaska, Alaska
It just doesn't have the charisma of a 375 H&H. Well known outdoor writer Jack Lott, managed to get himself into a tussle with a cape buffalo he had wounded using the .458 Win Mag. (25 at 4000) 8.5: 1.6: 3.5.204 Ruger (33 at 4225) Its long case is its only drawback, since it only fits in magnum length Mauser-style actions, which means it is only available in expensive limited production or custom rifles. While the .375 is a bit more versatile, the .416 Rigby’s trajectory is similar, and it can reach out to 300 yards with ease—unusual for a big-bore. Lott’s condemnation lead to decreased sales for the .458 Win Mag until Winchester switched to a more temperature stable powder in the 1970’s. Winchester introduced the .458 Winchester Magnum cartridge in 1958. In the write up, the bans were on the various .450 calibers (not 458s) like the 450 nitro express, 450 black powder, 450 no2 even though the bullet diameter was .458 the British called them .450s. Fishing Books
They took the proven .375 H&H’s case, shortened it, and necked it up to .458 caliber. The “Jeff” fits in standard length actions, has sufficient power for elephant, and recoils a bit less than the .416’s. for more information or to
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The .470 is a well-balanced cartridge. Not only can .375 H&H ammo be used; almost any .375 H&H rifle can easily be converted to .375 Weatherby Magnum by opening up the chamber, a simple reaming job—and .375 H&H ammo can still be used. Only sold it when I wanted something lighter and went to a Remington 700 and later a M600 both in .350 Remington Magnum. /* OD Old Pages 468x15 */
Mag. IMHO, there ain't a dime's worth of difference between CRF and PF as long as you learn how to work your chosen rifle. Although considered a medium bore, the .375 performs much more like a true big bore. It fits in a standard length rifle action, unlike other magnums such as the .375 H&H or the .416 Rigby. English gun maker Rigby introduced this great cartridge in 1911 for its proprietary magazine rifles. Mag., 300 WSM, 300 SAUM, and 300 Wby. Alaska
Heck, take that list clear down to 7mm-08 because I’ve used it to engage many of the same critters that have shrugged off the 375 H&H. Also developed using a necked up .375 H&H case, the .458 Lott is very similar to the .458 Win Mag, but the primary difference is the .458 Lott use a .3″ longer case (2.8″ vs 2.5″). Use solids for elephant and follow up shots on buffalo; and expanding bullets for anything smaller. Winchester took their .458 Winchester Magnum case—itself a shortened and blown out .375 H&H case—and necked it to hold the .338″ diameter bullets the company used for its rimmed .33 Winchester. It fired a 510 grain bullet at a claimed 2150 feet per second and over 5000 foot pounds energy. Woodleigh’s 350 grain solid has a good reputation for this application. LJ Bonham is a semi-subsistence hunter, hunting magazine editor, and firearms enthusiast who lives in the Rocky Mountains. Tough 300 grain, controlled expansion bullets such as the Nosler Partition, Swift A-Frame, Barnes Triple Shock X, Hornady DGX, Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, and Woodleigh Weld Core are the world standard for animals such as Cape buffalo, hippo, and bear. I was planning such a trip until I was laid low by a stroke. /* 468x60, Forums, FORUMDISPLAY */
The .404 enjoyed favor with colonial game wardens in Africa who culled elephant herds which were deforesting the landscape and damaging crops. .375 H&H vs. .458 Lott #1 I've owned a .375 H&H No. Tel. Here are factory ballistics for the Jeff: (L-R): .30-06, .375 H&H, .404 Jeffery, .505 Gibbs. The .375 is also the smallest legal caliber for hunting dangerous game in many African countries which gives it the edge over smaller calibers. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. They fire wide, long, heavy bullets at moderate velocity. Thanks everyone...more questions though? The .458 Winchester Magnum was designed from the outset to duplicate the performance level of the .450 Nitro Express and the .470 Nitro Express, which had become the mainstay of African dangerous game hunters. Only I would insist in 101/2 pounds for the rifle and no scope. No centerfire rifle cartridge has spawned a larger extended family than Holland and Holland’s 1912 introduction, the .375 H&H Magnum. will send 500 grain bullets at about 2000 fps. Mag. Case capacity is 4 percent greater than the .375 H&H. The .404 Jeffery almost disappeared, but has made a comeback in the last decade as hunters have rediscovered its manners and effectiveness. ; 7mm Rem. etc. Refine by Caliber: 458 Lott 470 Nitro Express. Factory ammunition is still available, here are the performance numbers: This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. Introduced in 1912 for bolt-action rifles, the .375 H&H became a world-wide favorite.
Since then, the .458 has become the work-a-day dangerous game cartridge in Africa. An advantage when solid bullets are used, since bore diameter and bullet weight are the prime factors in “knock out power” with solids. Us, © 1996 Outdoors America Communications
Go figger. .375 H&H vs. .458 Win Mag Hi there, I would like to know from you guys what you think would be the preferred rifle for a trail-guide in Africa. ], Posting to this forum is now disabled. One of them was through the shoulder, the rest were through the vitals. ~ home |
300 Win Mag vs 338 Lapua vs 338 Win Mag: Picking The Right Heavy Hitter S/N 169492 with matching scribed bolt made in 1950. It is based on a straight, shortened .375 H&H belted magnum case necked-up to accept .458" bullets. | Post a Reply
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Brass was shortened to make the .264 Win Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, .350 Norma Mag and .458 Win Mag. To learn more about the 7mm Remington Magnum, the .300 Winchester Magnum, and the .338 Winchester Magnum all of which use a modified .375 H&H case, read the articles below: 7mm Rem Mag vs 300 Win Mag: What You Know May Be Wrong. The .375 H&H’s biggest strength is versatility. Like all double rifle cartridges, the .470’s trajectory drops fast past one hundred yards, but this is inconsequential. Magazine
It’s only major drawback is a lackluster trajectory compared to the .416 and .375, although this is a minor consideration since dangerous game cartridges are often used inside fifty yards. GrandSlam handload and it walked three steps and fell over dead. , [ Return to Contents
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This grizzled veteran deserves a place on any hunter’s gun rack. It received much publicity as famed African hunter Harry Selby’s preferred round. Alaska Trip
Unlike its contemporary, the .375 H&H, the .416 is a true big-bore. The only traditional, rimmed cartridge to make this list, the .470 is perhaps the best double rifle round ever produced. Ruger Vs. H&H. American adventurers and African professional hunters took notice, and the .458 Win Mag created quite a stir. Photo: Peter Gnanapragasam.
By Chuck Hawks. The cartridge proved effective on Africa’s Big Five. AR would have some serious advantages in the hunting world. Alaska outdoors forums |
The thought that a .338 Win Mag has more recoil than a .375 H&H perplexes me. Before I dig this hole deeper, let me confess I’ve not hunted with the 375 H&H nearly as much as cartridges like 338 Win. It … Several other .375 cartridges have appeared in the last decade, but the H&H is still the best when feed reliability and world-wide ammunition availability are considered. google_ad_client = "ca-pub-9738259267693734";
Today, several companies offer production bolt-action rifles chambered for the cartridge and factory ammunition is again available in good quantities. I have left out .470s, .500s or any doubles, or powerful wildcat bolt-rifles as they are out of the reach of the average guide. It fired a 510 grain bullet at a claimed 2150 feet per second and over 5000 foot pounds energy. | Site Map |
This particular rifle is one of the v ... African 458 Winchester Magnum. Hunting Books
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!I've taken all these except Moose and Bongo with the 375 H&H. Cartridge (gr@ft/s) Rifle Weight (lbs) Recoil Energy (ft-lbs) Recoil Velocity (ft/s).17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5: 0.2: 0.17 Rem.
It used a .474 caliber bullet to circumvent bans on .458 bullets in many British colonies. The .458 Winchester Magnum was introduced in 1956. While .375 H&H is out due to its overall length, at first glance it appears that the .375 Ruger and .416 Ruger would fit inside a NEMO magazine and work within the pressure parameters just fine. The 375, 300 grain at about 2570 fps. To avoid exceeding the required maximum overall cartridge length of 3.340 inches, bullets have to be seated quite deeply into the case. Bullet was under the skin on the far side and weighed 265 gr. The .375 H&H is perhaps the best cartridge for African lion when loaded with 270 through 300 grain bullets which expand quickly. Driving a 510-grain bullet at the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, the .458 Winchester Magnum was a success—at least in theory. It accepts bullets from 230 to 350 grains. It is also the smoothest feeding cartridge in the world, a big asset when hunting dangerous game with a magazine fed, bolt-action rifle. My wife, Suzie, at 5 foot 3 inches, shoots her .375 H&H very well, and has no problem hunting with her Winchester. It is perfect for elephant but will take lion and anything in between, all without the severe recoil generated by the .500 and larger caliber Nitro Express cartridges. While not considered an ideal elephant cartridge, the .375 will do the job if loaded with 300 or 350 grain solids, and the hunter places shots with precision. Let’s see what makes them special. Let’s examine each in depth and then you can pick your winner. The .458 Winchester Magnum is a straight-walled case, using the H&H belt of brass for proper headspacing. Just be glad you haven't been bitten by the 458 Win Mag bug. Joseph Lang, the .470’s designer, didn’t realize at the time he had created something better than the .450 NE whose performance he intended to equal. Scarce and highly sought after Pre 64 Winchester Model 70 SUPER GRADE in powerful .375 H&H Magnum caliber. ?. The ability to place a bullet in the right spot is invaluable, and many PHs prefer a client that shoots a .375 H&H to one who is uncomfortable with a .416 or .458 caliber rifle. When stoked with 300 – 350 grain bullets, it is a giant killer. PO Box 609-W, Delta Junction, AK 99737
The .338 Win Mag offers a lot to hunters. Never had a 338. The Jeff has an actual bore diameter of .423 inches which is larger than the .416. Which would be best? From the left, .458 Winchester Magnum, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Magnum. A high SD is anything above .270. Here are some performance figures for modern .458 Win Mag factory ammunition. The .450 Nitro Express had been rated to launch a 480 gr (31.1 g) bullet at 2,150 ft/s (655 m/s) out of a 28 in (711 mm) barrel while the .470 Nitro Express would launch a 500 gr (32.4 g) bullet at 2,125 ft/s (648 m/s) out of a 31 in (787 mm) barrel. The .458 WM is a shortened and necked up version of the .375 H&H. Alaska boating
I would take that and a .300 Winchester Magnum on an African Safari. However, it still has much less recoil than heavy weights such as the .470 Nitro Express. The .470 NE appeared in 1907. With that said, the magazine on both rifles is magnum length and .458 Win Mag cartridges tend to unevenly work forward under recoil, a situation that could present some problems in the field. Available in .375 Holland & Holland, .416 Rigby, .458 Winchester Magnum, and .458 Lott with a 5, 3 and 3-round fixed magazine. Travel Books, Plan Your
There seems to me to be a very close match between the 375 ballistics and a certain group of animals. Mag. American adventurers and African professional hunters took notice, and the .458 Win Mag created quite a stir. google_ad_width = 468;
(L-R): .458 Win Mag, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby. Refine by Caliber: 416 Rem Magnum 458 Win Magnum. The Jeffery gun company introduced the .404 in 1905. High SD bullets penetrate better than low or mid-range SD bullets, and do not require high velocity to penetrate deep into large, tough animals. Bullet weights of 200-, 250- and 300-grains were initially offered for the .338 Win. Alaska hunting
There are other .416’s on the market which fit into standard length actions, but the Rigby works at much lower pressures and is less likely to stick in the chamber after firing on a hot day. google_ad_height = 15;
It is loaded to 53,000 cup and it's a fairly compact cartridge that fits in a standard length action. Lion loads will also perform well on leopard. | Alaska fishing | Alaska Outdoors Store
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(907) 895-4919. It also has about thirty percent more recoil than the .375, and some shooters can’t handle it well. Shot a 52" moose at over 300 yards with Speer 285 gr. Refine by Caliber: 470 Nitro Express 500 Nitro Express. Had a #1 .375 H&H for about 5 years as my only big game rifle and it was wonderfully accurate. The design criteria for the .458 Winchester Magnu… I find open sights make for for faster shooting than scope sights up to 100 yards. Refine by Caliber: 375 H&H Magnum 416 Rigby. The .458’s had been prohibited to prevent them failing into the hands of native liberation movements who often used older .458 caliber Martini rifles. Mag. Here some performance figures for factory .375 H&H ammunition: .375 H&H (L) Compared to .338 Win Mag (R). At this point my BIG gun is a #1 in .405 Winchester. It competed directly against the .416 Rigby and .375 H&H, and is considered superior to both in many respects. Hornady engineers did a good job of making the .375 Ruger case short enough to work in the standard-length Ruger Model 77 Hawkeye action while at the same time giving it enough girth to increase capacity a bit beyond that of the .375 H&H case. In the early twentieth century, double rifles dominated African hunting and were chambered for cartridges from .333 to .700 caliber, but as the double waned in popularity after the war, only a few cartridges survived in the market. Alaska
Moose, Eland, Roan, Bongo, (yeah that's really it's name) large Elk and Lions! These cartridges all have one thing in common. The .470 NE’s recoil is similar to the .458 Win Mag, but it has a better reputation as a stopper than the .458. Dangerous game includes Africa’s Big Five (lion, leopard, Cape buffalo, hippo, and Elephant) as well as the great bears (Polar, Grizzly, and Kodiak). Mag., making for a highly useful cartridge. google_ad_width = 468;
Unlike the .375, it is not considered marginal for Cape buffalo and elephant. The .458 Winchester Magnum can deliver a 500 grain bullet at about 1900 fps from a 22" barrel, giving it over 5,000 foot pounds of punch. The .338 WM is a necked down version of the .458 WM. The original goal was to equal the .375 H&H in a .30-’06-length case. | Directory |
The .458 Win Mag's case is adapted from that of the .375 H&H Magnum, with the case shortened to 2½ inches (63.5 millimetres) and re-necked, not only to reduce taper, but also to accept a .458 inch diameter (11.63 millimetres) bullet. It is a purpose built tool for life or death circumstances at close quarters and excels at the job. google_ad_slot = "5404517936";
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Dangerous Game factory loads are only 50 FPS slower than the Lott. Winchester reasoned these American hunters would buy a cartridge which hit like the old .450 Nitro Express but fit into a .30-06 length bolt-action like Winchester's Model 70. 1 and loved it! Many dangerous game cartridges have come and gone over the decades, but five have proved the best. and 280 AI, etc. They took the proven .375 H&H’s case, shortened it, and necked it up to .458 caliber. here
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